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Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 08:48 PM
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I always fancied an old fashioned looking diesel or tram style locomotive. One of the GRS Boxcab diesel kits looked good. The small 0-4-0, or the Bo-Bo were the ones i liked the best. The Bo-Bo one is based on the prototype american BoxCab.

Here is a site with details of lots of prototypes:

http://sbiii.com/jfcageir/ageir.html

The Bo-Bo is similar to the AGEIR/GE Class B-B-120 loco

http://sbiii.com/jfcageir/ageir5.html


Here is the range of kits that GRS ( http://www.grsuk.com/ ) do:

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 08:49 PM
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In the end i went for the 0-4-0 version, however i decided to use a longer wheelbase USA Trains motor block as i felt the one recommended was too short.

I took a couple of shots of the example in the shop:
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 08:51 PM
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I felt a few more details needed to be added, to add more interest to the chassis and body, I also felt that the headlight looked better in the position it is on the prototype.
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 08:52 PM
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The kit comes as a set of parts cut from styrene sheet - quite acceptable as the prototype is a box!
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 08:55 PM
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It also comes with a large collection of white metal detailing parts. Nicely molded, although with a bit of flash on them.
 



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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 08:57 PM
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I decided to change the buffer beams to look more like a tram loco, as i wanted it to look like it had been imported from a commonwealth country rather than direct from the USA:
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 08:58 PM
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The model is going to use the USA Trains 95mm wheelbase motor block. Powered by batteries, although it can be switched to track pick-up.
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 09:00 PM
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I'll first detail the chassis construction, then the power/control system, then the body and detailing.

The chassis frames had to be replaced as the motor block is slightly higher than the recommended one. I cut them from some thick styrene sheet from Eileen's Emporium. Some of the holes in the original ones had been drilled in the wrong place. The change in the wheelbase also meant some of the holes would have been in the wrong place for the different motor block anyway.

The metal detailing parts were glued in place with Devcon epoxy or Superglue. I added an access plate to one end of the frames and some extra rivets to suggest the interior construction of the chassis.
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 09:01 PM
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The beam that runs between the two axlebox springs had to be re-made due to the change to the wheelbase.
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 09:03 PM
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The chassis was assembled with replacement tram style buffer beams. Additional styrene strips were used to re-inforce the joins and to create location blocks to keep the motor block in place. View from underneath:

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 09:04 PM
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View from the side:
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 09:05 PM
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Primer sprayed on. The funny lump at one end is a DPDT switch covered in masking tape. I have subsequently added a second switch to the other side.

The strips on top of the chassis is to locate the body. The cut-out at the left hand end is to allow the sound from the speaker to get out!
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 09:06 PM
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Upside-down view with motor block in place:
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 09:08 PM
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The loco is to be powered by batteries. ModelPower ( http://store.modelpower.co.uk/ ) made up a custom battery pack for me: 9 sub-C, 4300 mAh cells. Arranged in a 3x3 configuration. This just fitted inside the body of the loco.

Modelpower also supplied the cable for connecting everything up and numerous Tamiya connectors to make up the charging wiring.

I made up a cradle to hold the battery pack inside it, with the electronics sitting on top:

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 09:09 PM
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The electronics consist of: Brian Jones MacFive Electronic speed controller, FX-4U soundcard (with Class 37 sound), LAMP-1 lighting control board, Futaba 2.4GHz reciever.
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 09:10 PM
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Here it is all in place:
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 09:11 PM
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Onto the body work!

First job is to clean up the window holes and sand down the sides and ends. The doors are made up of two layers, so they are glued together.
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 09:15 PM
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The roof comes as two pieces that need to be blued together. GRS do a similar roof section in 2 foot long mouldings and would probably have been easier to use than all the filling i had to do to get a good finish.
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 09:17 PM
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Then comes the fun bit! I wanted a rivetted body rather than a welded one. Just like the prototype. This meant lots of rivets, about 600 in all, i think!

First drill lots of holes, using a piece of veroboard as a jig for all the holes. This works quite well. As i was using a drill about half the diameter of the holes in the vero board it was difficult to get them all lined up. A bigger drill would be much easier as it can't wonder in the hole in the veroboard. As i used a small bit of veroboard i had to drill some holes, then move the veroboard along a bit, drill more holes etc etc. I found that it was difficult to get a straight line. In future use a longer bit of veroboard!
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 09:18 PM
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Then i added the strapping, and re-drilled all the holes from the inside :o
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 09:23 PM
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Next most of the rivets were glued in place with epoxy. Superglue worked out better in the end - it penetrates the hole the rivet is in, the epoxy just glues the end of the rivet.

Some rivets were left off to allow hand rails to be glued in place and to allow for assembly of the body and shaping of the ends.
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 09:27 PM
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The bodywork was then assembled and tried on the chassis:
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 09:29 PM
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Detail of the corner of the body:
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 09:30 PM
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Showing the body with the two internal bulkheads. One has a circular cutout for the speaker. The body design should form an infinite baffle for the back of the speaker. The speaker points into one of the cabs, the sound coming out of the bottom of the cab, between the frames.
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 09:39 PM
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I wired up the switches, motor block, and stuffed all the electronics into the loco for a quick test:

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 11:21 PM
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I wired up the switches, motor block, and stuffed all the electronics into the loco for a quick test:
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 11:22 PM
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Sounds like a large diesel is hiding in the bushes:
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 11:24 PM
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Now on to the detailing.

Filled, primered and sanded down the roof. Trial fitted a few roof details:
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 11:26 PM
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Added hand rails to the body - brass wire and brass washers for 16BA bolts!

The brass rivets come from GRS. They do 2 sizes, small and very small. I use the small size on the chassis and the very small size on the bodywork. Come in packets of 200, for about £5.
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 11:28 PM
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Boxcab on tour. Well extensive testing was required. Ran for about an hour non-stop. Sound card is great. The speed controller only got slightly warm, even when the loco de-railed and was left running for about 15 mins off the rails (ahem).

Took the boxcab into GRS today, they really like it. May make an appearance in a future catalogue!

Must get some of the coaches in the picture, they go really well with the Boxcab. Similar construction. (They are on their way!!!! Thanks Steve.)
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 11:30 PM
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LED lighting circuit under test. White running light and headlight for the front of loco, red running light for rear of loco. Directional lighting from the speed controller via the LAMP-1 amplifier/switching circuit.

The LED for the headlight is so bright i've had to use a higher value resistor to reduce the brightness significantly. Have subsequently changed the LEDs for the running lights to larger 8mm ones as they fit the whitemetal castings better.
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 11:31 PM
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Roof now finished and painted:
 

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 24/10/09 11:33 PM
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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 25/10/09 01:53 AM
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A lovely model, - the care you've taken with the additional detailing has really brought your Boxcab to life.

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 25/10/09 07:46 AM
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Yes a really lovely model. I am intrigued about the rivets - are they just heads or do they have a shank (so you have to drill holes)?

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 25/10/09 08:10 AM
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Loads of work gone into this Doug ? a lovely model

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RE: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 25/10/09 10:55 AM
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Amazing bit of modelling there Doug, the detail is stunning. Well done!

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 25/10/09 04:24 PM
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Aye, proper rivets. Drilled loads of holes - see pic on first page of the thread.

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 27/10/09 02:16 AM
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Really nice work, thanks for the link to their kits. Jerry

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Re: Boxcab Build, GRS Kit - 02/11/09 01:35 AM
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Very nice job Doug, after 5 Bulleid coach underframes with 180 odd rivets each I began to dream rivets. I used a very similar technique to yours on the RhB Ge4/6s converted from the 2/4s, it is mighty labourious so I know how long that took, well done for persistance. Did you cut them flush inside? I found that a few fell out when superglued so when I did a similar job on the southern bogies, in brass, I soldered them, yep 24 per bogie, 10 bogies. If it wasn't for the memory failure I would be a rivet counter 1st class!

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