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Defunct railway in the Lake District - just 30/07/10 05:59 PM (permalink)
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EDIT Forget this I have found that it really was built as a road. Oops!
 
Today I was in a part of the Lakes near Shap that I don't usually frequent, too low, too gentle, too wet underfoot but I was recce-ing easy routes for Winter walks.
After a few minutes I realised that I was on an old railway unlike any other I have been on. It had the width of standard gauge but the gradients were unbelievable, steep, long and continued rising at the same rate around curves. The old Cromford and High Peak had massive gradients but the worst ones on that were cable hauled; these gradients looked to be beyond normal traction limits. There are no structures other than a number of double and triple span bridges the construction of which fooled me at first. They were the type of concrete block road bridges common in the 1920s and 30s.
Another look at the map and it dawned on me that the line linked the West Coast mainline at the Shap Blue Rock Quarry just N of Shap Summit with the dam at the end of Haweswater reservoir, Naddle Bridge.  The railway was the constructor's line. Both it and the reservoir were built by Manchester Corporation Waterworks and the bridges would be designed by their highway engineers hence their road bridge appearance. (Next time I am up there I must look for the bridge over/under the A6.)


 
The trains struggling up the fearsome gradients from the reservoir must have been a sight to see. Fortunately the majority of trains ran in that direction - East and SE, would be empty wagons but even so I presume double heading must have been the order of the day.
Imagine the difficulties in Winter, howling wind, rain and ice. The route is in the next valley to Wet Sleddale; if a place in the Lake District has the word Wet in its name then you had better believe it!
On my return I dug out a 1925 OS map of the area - that confirmed it, Haweswater was a mere puddle, no dam and no railway.
I have since found that the dam was commenced in 1929 but I can find no trace of any info' relating to the railway which was around 6 miles long.
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    Re:Defunct railway in the Lake District - just 30/07/10 06:33 PM (permalink)
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    Facinating. I have just followed the old line on google maps - it is still quite evident as a track. Ends up a cement works on the main line.
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      Re:Defunct railway in the Lake District - just 30/07/10 07:06 PM (permalink)
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      Facinating. I have just followed the old line on google maps - it is still quite evident as a track. Ends up a cement works on the main line.

      I think that it may have extended a little further to the now partly closed Blue Rock Quarry which would have provided some of the stone and aggregate for the dam construction. The references to dam construction don't mention the railway although it was obviously a major component of the construction work.
      It now has a concrete road surface from end to end and carries HGVs - in single file - as I discovered!
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        Re:Defunct railway in the Lake District - just 30/07/10 07:41 PM (permalink)
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        I understand with the low water in Haweswater........Mardale may be visible.......last time was 1995 I think.
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          Re:Defunct railway in the Lake District - just 30/07/10 08:03 PM (permalink)
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          I understand with the low water in Haweswater........Mardale may be visible.......last time was 1995 I think.


          I didn't go that far, the clouds clamped down and it was bucketing down but I gather that it is visible again.
           
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            Re:Defunct railway in the Lake District - just 30/07/10 08:04 PM (permalink)
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            I must pay another visit in 3-4 weeks time, I found a greengage tree absolutely laden at the side of the track. Real Big Smile
             
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              Re:Defunct railway in the Lake District - just 30/07/10 08:15 PM (permalink)
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              KeithT


              I must pay another visit in 3-4 weeks time, I found a greengage tree absolutely laden at the side of the track. Real Big Smile


              What gauge were they?
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                Re:Defunct railway in the Lake District - just 30/07/10 08:19 PM (permalink)
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                KeithT


                I must pay another visit in 3-4 weeks time, I found a greengage tree absolutely laden at the side of the track. Real Big Smile


                What gauge were they?


                V droll. Laugh
                 
                I think you have been having lessons from Zman.
                 
                Your avatar gives you away.Rolls Eyes
                 
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                  Re:Defunct railway in the Lake District - just 30/07/10 08:54 PM (permalink)
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                  It's only yellow at the front Real Big Smile
                   
                   
                   
                   
                   
                   
                  and the back as well Cool Dude
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                    Re:Defunct railway in the Lake District - just 30/07/10 08:58 PM (permalink)
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                    It's only yellow at the front Real Big Smile
                     
                     
                     
                     
                     
                     
                    and the back as well Cool Dude

                    That is the same as Zman.
                    I rest my case.Clap Hands
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                      Re:Defunct railway in the Lake District - just CORRECTED 30/07/10 09:13 PM (permalink)
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                      Forget what I posted about the "railway".
                      I have found an article which refers to "a 6 mile road" built to connect the dam site to the quarry!
                      Oops!
                      Sackcloth ashes etc etcThinkingSickLooser
                      All I can say in defence is that I have never seen a road built with such an alignment.
                       
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                        Re:Defunct railway in the Lake District - just 30/07/10 09:20 PM (permalink)
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                        I understand with the low water in Haweswater........Mardale may be visible.......last time was 1995 I think.

                        Oh yes, 1995.
                         
                        Hell, was I that thin.....

                         

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                          Re:Defunct railway in the Lake District - just CORRECTED 30/07/10 09:22 PM (permalink)
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                          Nevermind......interesting all the same.
                          If nothing else works a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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                            Re:Defunct railway in the Lake District - just CORRECTED 30/07/10 09:24 PM (permalink)
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                            Sorry Neil was replying to Keiths last post.

                            Great pics of the old village. Thumbs Up
                            If nothing else works a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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                              Re:Defunct railway in the Lake District - just CORRECTED 30/07/10 09:31 PM (permalink)
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                              KeithT


                              Forget what I posted about the "railway".
                              I have found an article which refers to "a 6 mile road" built to connect the dam site to the quarry!
                              Oops!
                              Sackcloth ashes etc etcThinkingSickLooser
                              All I can say in defence is that I have never seen a road built with such an alignment.


                              Talking to locals when we took those pics, they call it the 'water board road' or the 'concrete road', but none of them mentioned a railway.  I was just thinking to myself I missed that one, then...oops.....we all make mistakes Keith!  The man that says he hasn't is a liar.
                               
                              Mardale was a weird experiance, we went 5 or 6 times, as it emptied and then filled again, back when we lived in the big island.
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                                Sorry Neil was replying to Keiths last post.

                                Great pics of the old village. Thumbs Up


                                Thought I must have upset you!!Laugh
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                                  Re:Defunct railway in the Lake District - just CORRECTED 30/07/10 09:41 PM (permalink)
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                                  New Haven Neil


                                  spike


                                  Sorry Neil was replying to Keiths last post.

                                  Great pics of the old village. Thumbs Up


                                  Thought I must have upset you!!Laugh


                                  Real Big Smile

                                  Seeing your pics makes me think of 76.........no real rain here since the Spring.
                                  Every where is getting a mite tinder.
                                  If nothing else works a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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                                    Re:Defunct railway in the Lake District - just CORRECTED 30/07/10 09:46 PM (permalink)
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                                    Yes, Norfolk was a bit like '76 when we were there a fortnight ago!
                                     

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                                      Re:Defunct railway in the Lake District - just CORRECTED 30/07/10 10:05 PM (permalink)
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                                      New Haven Neil


                                      KeithT


                                      Forget what I posted about the "railway".
                                      I have found an article which refers to "a 6 mile road" built to connect the dam site to the quarry!
                                      Oops!
                                      Sackcloth ashes etc etcThinkingSickLooser
                                      All I can say in defence is that I have never seen a road built with such an alignment.


                                      Talking to locals when we took those pics, they call it the 'water board road' or the 'concrete road', but none of them mentioned a railway.  I was just thinking to myself I missed that one, then...oops.....we all make mistakes Keith!  The man that says he hasn't is a liar.
                                       
                                      Mardale was a weird experiance, we went 5 or 6 times, as it emptied and then filled again, back when we lived in the big island.


                                      Excellent pics far better than the media shots.
                                      I have seen Mardale several times over the years from the road and the fells but it is more dramatic 'on the spot' as in the photos.
                                       
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                                        Re:Defunct railway in the Lake District - just CORRECTED 30/07/10 10:12 PM (permalink)
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                                        Plenty more where they came from - rather grimy scans from negs I'm afraid.
                                         

                                         

                                         

                                         
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